regarding performance ...

[CareerFirefighter]

Short automotive background ...

I've had 11 Stangs, from a '69 Mach 1 390 to several FOX bodies, and some newer Coyotes as well. Stock to mild tunes.
All were V8's except one, and most of them made at least one run down the drag strip. Some had made many runs. Lol
I also had a Taurus SHO, Datsun 240-Z, Cobalt SS/SC Stage 2, Dodge SRT-4, Stinger GT AWD, Explorer ST, Durango 392, etc.

And while I'm still going easy on my Scat until the 500 mile break in, I can say this car is on another performance level.
Wow. That's all I can say. WOW. The couple of times I gave the much neglected accelerator pedal some attention, she MOVED.

 

[El Chorizo5]

Short automotive background ...

I've had 11 Stangs, from a '69 Mach 1 390 to several FOX bodies, and some newer Coyotes as well. Stock to mild tunes.
All were V8's except one, and most of them made at least one run down the drag strip. Some had made many runs. Lol
I also had a Taurus SHO, Datsun 240-Z, Cobalt SS/SC Stage 2, Dodge SRT-4, Stinger GT AWD, Explorer ST, Durango 392, etc.

And while I'm still going easy on my Scat until the 500 mile break in, I can say this car is on another performance level.
Wow. That's all I can say. WOW. The couple of times I gave the much neglected accelerator pedal some attention, she MOVED.

AWD makes such a huge difference I don't think people understand. This is one of the reasons why you see so many fast 4x4 F150's out there.

 

[Zaccity34]

AWD makes such a huge difference I don't think people understand. This is one of the reasons why you see so many fast 4x4 F150's out there.

100% You don't get all the theatrics as RWD you just take off. And I think that's what makes the Six Pack so good. With the Hellcat coming back I worry they will be doing AWD and it will take away from the Six Pack and where it stands in the Dodge line up.

 

[El Chorizo5]

100% You don't get all the theatrics as RWD you just take off. And I think that's what makes the Six Pack so good. With the Hellcat coming back I worry they will be doing AWD and it will take away from the Six Pack and where it stands in the Dodge line up.

I still think about buying another AWD Eagle Talon or DSM again!

 

[Pioneer4x441]

I still think about buying another AWD Eagle Talon or DSM again!

Never had one, but a co-worker had an original Talon AWD Turbo, it was a hoot up a hill. Also, geez, haven't heard DSM in a Looooong time!

 

[El Chorizo5]

Never had one, but a co-worker had an original Talon AWD Turbo, it was a hoot up a hill. Also, geez, haven't heard DSM in a Looooong time!

Brings back them good memories.... i remember i didn't do much to my talon, but i cut a 1.6 on dry rot tires and went 12.6 without many mods. Happy times.

 

[rossagge]

100% You don't get all the theatrics as RWD you just take off. And I think that's what makes the Six Pack so good. With the Hellcat coming back I worry they will be doing AWD and it will take away from the Six Pack and where it stands in the Dodge line up.

It's gonna be a strange line up for sure. I truly think there will be an all Hemi line up, not just a HC. Could be 2dr only Hemi, while the 4dr remains i6. Whether RWD only Hemis or they incorporate AWD or leave AWD only for the i6 line up. IDK, waiting to see what happens.

 

[8pack-21]

It's gonna be a strange line up for sure. I truly think there will be an all Hemi line up, not just a HC. Could be 2dr only Hemi, while the 4dr remains i6. Whether RWD only Hemis or they incorporate AWD or leave AWD only for the i6 line up. IDK, waiting to see what happens.

Personally after having the Hurricane HO in my charger and the SO in my Wagoneer… idk if I’d want a 5.7/6.4 HEMI unless it were about 10k less than the SO/HO sixpacks respectively. It’d be purely for an auditory experience because the torque in these is face ripping compared to the 392 and the fuel economy with spirited driving is about double IME.

The hellcat 6.2 is a different animal. I’d also be curious about a street legal version of the 5.8L Drag Pak HEMI showing up in these. Idk the specs on the Drag Pak, but supposedly sub 8s 1/4 mile.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

Personally after having the Hurricane HO in my charger and the SO in my Wagoneer… idk if I’d want a 5.7/6.4 HEMI unless it were about 10k less than the SO/HO sixpacks respectively. It’d be purely for an auditory experience because the torque in these is face ripping compared to the 392 and the fuel economy with spirited driving is about double IME.

The hellcat 6.2 is a different animal. I’d also be curious about a street legal version of the 5.8L Drag Pak HEMI showing up in these. Idk the specs on the Drag Pak, but supposedly sub 8s 1/4 mile.

I said the exact same thing to someone yesterday.
If Dodge put the 392 in the new Charger (which I loved in my Durango SRT) it'd be slower than the HO Hurricane. It'd sound better, but it'd be slower.
It's all about 475 hp vs 550 hp. The 392 would probably have better immediate throttle response, but the extra hp & torque of the Hurricane would beat it.

 

[Pioneer4x441]

Personally after having the Hurricane HO in my charger and the SO in my Wagoneer… idk if I’d want a 5.7/6.4 HEMI unless it were about 10k less than the SO/HO sixpacks respectively. It’d be purely for an auditory experience because the torque in these is face ripping compared to the 392 and the fuel economy with spirited driving is about double IME.
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^ This, to me, the only reason for a HEMI is a CHEAPER version, with LESS POWER. Like a 5.7 base engine, maybe even RWD only.
The HEMI was awesome, for its time, 20 years ago. I've had 4, 1 was a 392. I loved them all. But they have less power, and are less efficient. Yeah, that 392 is a joy in every way, until you realize it is slower, then you have to fill it up more.
Maybe a RWD, 392, MANUAL "Charger Classic" with all kinds of retro graphics! I bet that would sell very well.

 

[NYC_LB]

Short automotive background ...

I've had 11 Stangs, from a '69 Mach 1 390 to several FOX bodies, and some newer Coyotes as well. Stock to mild tunes.
All were V8's except one, and most of them made at least one run down the drag strip. Some had made many runs. Lol
I also had a Taurus SHO, Datsun 240-Z, Cobalt SS/SC Stage 2, Dodge SRT-4, Stinger GT AWD, Explorer ST, Durango 392, etc.

And while I'm still going easy on my Scat until the 500 mile break in, I can say this car is on another performance level.
Wow. That's all I can say. WOW. The couple of times I gave the much neglected accelerator pedal some attention, she MOVED.

The SixPack engine and trans tuning are awesome, especially for that torque shove feeling.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

The SixPack engine and trans tuning are awesome, especially for that torque shove feeling.

That they are.

 

[rossagge]

I guess I would have to drive one. I had the HO i6 in my 1500. It did dig down and go when needed without issue in a somewhat big truck. No visceral feel whatsoever. My 392 Challenger on the other hand, plenty of power, plenty of muscle car feel. I know you guys talk about speed, but I don't know when you will use that on the street other than just for bragging rights. Both these motors have unusable HP on the street. The chances of me tracking one is slim to none. I'm just being realistic with what I want. I want the feel of a muscle car and I don't see it in the new Charger. That's why I didn't buy one. With that said, I still want another 392 in the Charger. I dig the new look of it. For me it would complete the car, plus it in WB form. Don't care about fuel or street light racing. Just fun feel and sound.

 

[8pack-21]

I guess I would have to drive one. I had the HO i6 in my 1500. It did dig down and go when needed without issue in a somewhat big truck. No visceral feel whatsoever. My 392 Challenger on the other hand, plenty of power, plenty of muscle car feel. I know you guys talk about speed, but I don't know when you will use that on the street other than just for bragging rights. Both these motors have unusable HP on the street. The chances of me tracking one is slim to none. I'm just being realistic with what I want. I want the feel of a muscle car and I don't see it in the new Charger. That's why I didn't buy one. With that said, I still want another 392 in the Charger. I dig the new look of it. For me it would complete the car, plus it in WB form. Don't care about fuel or street light racing. Just fun feel and sound.

They’re loads of fun and aggressively loud in a different way than the HEMI. The Hurricane in the SUVs, I’ve got a Wagoneer, feels much more refined and toned down. It’s like a completely different engine in the scat pack tune and setup.

I was in the same camp as you until I drove one on a bored Friday and was sold.

 

[rossagge]

They’re loads of fun and aggressively loud in a different way than the HEMI. The Hurricane in the SUVs, I’ve got a Wagoneer, feels much more refined and toned down. It’s like a completely different engine in the scat pack tune and setup.

I was in the same camp as you until I drove one on a bored Friday and was sold.

Cool. Thanks for that. I do like em. I waited and waited. I think it's a cool engine. Wasn't thinking about the tuning specifically for the Charger and it's difference in feel. If they drop a 6.4 Hemi or a "new" Hemi in it, I'd still prefer that. I'll see what Dodge has instore for the Charger.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

They’re loads of fun and aggressively loud in a different way than the HEMI. The Hurricane in the SUVs, I’ve got a Wagoneer, feels much more refined and toned down. It’s like a completely different engine in the scat pack tune and setup.

I was in the same camp as you until I drove one on a bored Friday and was sold.

They are fun, and that comes from someone like me who's owned more V8 muscle cars than most people can shake a stick at.
After having spent years driving/racing RWD muscle, and then getting my first AWD car (used 2014 Taurus SHO) I was sold.
No wasted traction. I never looked back.

Getting a RWD V8 for the muscle car sound, with the inevitable gobs of wheel spin and unreliable acceleration, became a deal breaker for me.
(no fun getting gapped by a soccer mom in her SUV or a newbie in an AWD import)

As I said before, even if Dodge puts the 392 in the new Charger it'll be slower. AWD or RWD, it'll be slower.
But people woulkd buy it anyways, just for bragging rights.

 

[Chevyguy5]

Having never owned a Turbo car, and the only Turbo I can confirm driving was a 84 300ZX V6 IN THE DEALER LOT, got it up to 35 or so
My previous fastest car was my 16 R/T grabbing 13.7 bone stock. I got a 14.89 with my new 91 Mustang LX

The first time I foot brake launched it in AWD it threw me back in the seat. I had to cinch the seat a bit forward and upright to keep control, now it's not as a shock.
I really had fun driving it through the White Mountains in NH. Watching the boost gauge as I climbed the big uphill grades up and over the Kancamagus pass at 28xx feet. It will dial in boost slowly in normal driving as needed without the feeling of anything changing. When lean in to the throttle a bit slower it kicks faster, once I put my JB4 in you can tweak the throttle response. It also feels a bit Digital as the PCM is adding boost per the instructions of the Gerbils inside the turbos, so not a linear compared to a NA V8 etc.. I had the same observation with my 5.0 mustang vs my analog 305 Chevelle with headers and a nice cam.

I was sold on the car once I saw the Dimensions, its about as wide as my soon outgoing Marauder, with the door opening much larger 121 vs 114.7 wheel base, shorter hood on the Charger.

 

[Chevyguy5]

Cool. Thanks for that. I do like em. I waited and waited. I think it's a cool engine. Wasn't thinking about the tuning specifically for the Charger and it's difference in feel. If they drop a 6.4 Hemi or a "new" Hemi in it, I'd still prefer that. I'll see what Dodge has instore for the Charger.

Rumors have a new Dodge DOHC V8 being developed. One thing that drew me to the Charger is the NEW engine design. My 5.7 was introduced in 2003 and warmed over in 2009 not changed since.
The Coyote was introduced in 2011 and on the 4th generation.

 

[rossagge]

Here's a vid from TKs garage mentioning the new motor at the 4:38 mark.

 

[rossagge]

Another good vid. He actually touches on everything that was mentioned on this forum from owners. The confusion in the product name to the hood logo no one can read. Nice drag race too.