Consumer Reports gets 4dr R/T Charger 6 Pack ... hmmm

[CareerFirefighter]

I can confirm the back seat of the Camaro is useless except for items. It is nice I can buckle those items in securely though since people can't fit back there. lol

I was curious, so I got the specs for F/R Legroom:

2026 Charger (4/2 door) .... 42.6/37.2 inches
2023 Challenger ...................... 42.0/33.1 inches
2023 Mustang .......................... 45.1/29.0 inches
2023 Camaro ............................ 43.9/29.9 inches
2023 BMW M4 ......................... 41.8/34.7 inches

Rear legroom for Mustang/Camaro isn't even close, 8.2" and 7.3" less respectively.
The BMW M4 is short 2.5", and the previous 2 dr Challenger 4.1" less.

Neither car can carry 4 20x11 wheels and luggage, some people don't care about room, its all a choice ...
I sat in a durango waiting for the insurance rider ... and is was noticably more cramped than the Charger ...
I did fit in a Fiat 500 with some issues, same with a Miata would need goggles ...

With the third row seats down, the Durango 392 I traded in fit a walk behind lawnmower with the handle folded down.
Not sure if I can do what with the Charger, but I think it might fit.
Regarding the Fiat 500, I thought of getting a new VW Type R.
That idea ended the minute I sat in it.
Hard seats & tight egress = NOPE!

 

[8pack-213]

The 25 Ram was riddled with a litany of failures, let alone anything related to the 3.0 TT engine. And reliability data for the 22-25 Wagoneer, it's a Jeep they can kill anything

Even the SO Hurricane in Wagoneer requires 93 octane… I think a bunch of people ruined theirs throwing in the cheap stuff if they had engine problems. The bigger issue with them is the electronics and battery problems…. And even that mostly came down to them sitting too long and the aux battery failing.

 

[Pioneer4x458]

I was curious, so I got the specs for F/R Legroom:

2026 Charger (4/2 door) .... 42.6/37.2 inches
2023 Challenger ...................... 42.0/33.1 inches
2023 Mustang .......................... 45.1/29.0 inches
2023 Camaro ............................ 43.9/29.9 inches
2023 BMW M4 ......................... 41.8/34.7 inches

Rear legroom for Mustang/Camaro isn't even close, 8.2" and 7.3" less respectively.
The BMW M4 is short 2.5", and the previous 2 dr Challenger 4.1" less.



With the third row seats down, the Durango 392 I traded in fit a walk behind lawnmower with the handle folded down.
Not sure if I can do what with the Charger, but I think it might fit.
Regarding the Fiat 500, I thought of getting a new VW Type R.
That idea ended the minute I sat in it.
Hard seats & tight egress = NOPE!

I've put a 77" TV in mine out of box with stand attached, and a 65" still in the box. Both laid flat.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

Even the SO Hurricane in Wagoneer requires 93 octane… I think a bunch of people ruined theirs throwing in the cheap stuff if they had engine problems. The bigger issue with them is the electronics and battery problems…. And even that mostly came down to them sitting too long and the aux battery failing.

According to the Owners Manual for both the Wagoneer and the Charger, the SO 3.0L requires 87 octane and the HO 3.0L requires 91 octane.

 

[aceinspp58]

So far I've use 93 and 91octane so far no issues as getting good gas mileage in town as for now tat is where I do most of my driving. Getting 16.6mpg. Later RJD

 

[CareerFirefighter]

So far I've use 93 and 91octane so far no issues as getting good gas mileage in town as for now tat is where I do most of my driving. Getting 16.6mpg. Later RJD

I normally use 93/94, especially during hot weather so as to avoid any possible engine timing reductions.

 

[8pack-213]

According to the Owners Manual for both the Wagoneer and the Charger, the SO 3.0L requires 87 octane and the HO 3.0L requires 91 octane.

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They relaxed it in ‘25. My manual for older model definitely says requires premium grade in the Wagoneer for the older models.

Which is why I was surprised with the R/T and Scats being more lax too. If you even put “bad 93” in my Wag it has a warning pop up that says “check manual for proper fuel and oil types”, usually when you get on it a bit.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

They relaxed it in ‘25. My manual for older model definitely says requires premium grade in the Wagoneer for the older models.

Which is why I was surprised with the R/T and Scats being more lax too. If you even put “bad 93” in my Wag it has a warning pop up that says “check manual for proper fuel and oil types”, usually when you get on it a bit.

That's weird.

 

[baabootoo56]

Even the SO Hurricane in Wagoneer requires 93 octane… I think a bunch of people ruined theirs throwing in the cheap stuff if they had engine problems. The bigger issue with them is the electronics and battery problems…. And even that mostly came down to them sitting too long and the aux battery failing.

I thought anything only needed 91 anymore since you can't find 93 all over.

 

[aceinspp58]

No problem here for 93 but if I can I use 91. Later RJD

 

[8pack-213]

That's weird.

2023 Wagoneer Series II Carbide 4x4 Fuel/Oil Warning Message

Hi All, I just took delivery of a 2023 Wagoneer Series II Carbide 4x4 with the hurricane engine. So far, the car looks and drives well! The Chrysler dealer who sold it to me from out of state was using it and put the first 1,700 miles on it. They shipped it to me from 800 miles away with a full...

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Yep, I guess it’s not in the manual I went and looked 🫪, I was mistaken and the dealer said to use 93 at purchase, and all the Mopar techs I’ve talked to say put 93 in these only. They were having to replace catalytic converters on a lot of them from low octane fuel usage and the engines just don’t like 87 in most ambient conditions. 91 is not really available in my area, usually 87, 89, 93 are the choices.

Personally would never put less than 93 in the hurricane engine family and I guess 91 if that’s all that’s available. I get 28.5mpg in my Wag with 93.

 

[aceinspp58]

I will use 91 when ever its available. Have used in my 2016 scat and its 10 years old and runs great. Later RJD

 

[Devcom58]

Where I live I am only able to find 91 so any vehicle I have or had that requires premium I put 91 in it and have not noticed any reduction in performance or fuel economy. When I visit family in Connecticut they have 93 though.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

2023 Wagoneer Series II Carbide 4x4 Fuel/Oil Warning Message

Hi All, I just took delivery of a 2023 Wagoneer Series II Carbide 4x4 with the hurricane engine. So far, the car looks and drives well! The Chrysler dealer who sold it to me from out of state was using it and put the first 1,700 miles on it. They shipped it to me from 800 miles away with a full...

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... Personally would never put less than 93 in the hurricane engine family and I guess 91 if that’s all that’s available ...

I will use 91 when ever its available. Have used in my 2016 scat and its 10 years old and runs great. Later RJD

Where I live I am only able to find 91 so any vehicle I have or had that requires premium I put 91 in it and have not noticed any reduction in performance or fuel economy. When I visit family in Connecticut they have 93 though.

Unless I'm in the extreme heat/humidity of Summer (where it might pull timing), the manual says 91 so that is what I use.

 

[baabootoo56]

With our gauges, can we see timing retard or anything? That would tell us for sure.



I have this on my current one and tells short- and long-term timing retard. Great for testing gas.

 

[Canadian Ike12]

Thnx for your comments. I'm also 6 ft and so far haven't noticed any issues with forward visibility. But I've only had the car for a week Lol
As far as width goes, I had a Durango 392 before this car so I'm used to wide vehicles. Durango didn't fit in tight spots, and not this one either.
And yes, they mentioned the few options the car had at the beginning of the vid. They said the destination charge was the highest thing on the sticker.

I'm 6'3" and don't have a forward visibility problem, either.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

I'm 6'3" and don't have a forward visibility problem, either.

 

[aceinspp58]

I'm also 6.3 no problem. Later RJD

 

[CareerFirefighter]

I'm 6'3" and don't have a forward visibility problem, either.

I'm also 6.3 no problem. Later RJD

Wow, is everybody 6'3" on this forum?

 

[Devcom58]

Im 5'7"-5'8" and possibly at what I am seeing the shortest on the forum lol