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Yup, I know and hopefully the dealer owner will be in today so I can complain to him.
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Yup, I know and hopefully the dealer owner will be in today so I can complain to him.
I'll answer your survey..... I've tested this a few times over the last week.
Will it stay on for 4 minutes? No, No, No, Yes, No, No
Most times less than 30 seconds to being turned off.
The only Yes was immediately after a long drive and the batteries were charged.
The on-dash display voltage shows 12.4 after driving/charging. A few hours later it was down to 11.9 then the next morning down to 11.7 I don't even know which battery is shown on-dash. Maybe I'll find out soon.
Took it to the dealer this morning. Will take a few days before they even look at it. Really? Just to check the batteries? Yes.
The battery voltage you seeing is for the small 12 auxiliary battery. Your battery should have shown at least 13volts after drive. Looks like you may need to replace also. Mine read 14.2 during drive and after shut off 14.1. Next morning it was 11.7 . This battery runs all your interior light and most others 12 volt item in the cabin including the S/S. RJD
Got my car back from dealer today. They replaced the main (big) battery and said the aux battery was good.
They forgot to connect the vent tube, left the red plastic pos terminal cover hanging down and the 'carpeted' side panel was missing so I had to go back to the dealer and get it. Looks like they just installed the battery and tested it but forgot to finish putting it together.
I got to spend some time in the service bay so I started hitting the service advisors with questions. I'm going to list what I was told - which may or may not be 100 percent accurate:
1. Both main and aux batteries are AGM, and both have vent tubes.
2. The main battery vent tube is impossible to see and hard to connect because it's on the rear (tail-light) end of the battery. The aux battery vent tube is on passenger side near the top and is easy to see. Vent tubes are important - they prevent poison gases from entering the passenger compartment.
3. The main and aux batteries are connected in parallel and are not totally independent of each other. Somehow they perform different tasks (controlled by electronics)
4. Voltage seen on dash display is a combination/average of both batteries.
5. The jump/charge terminals under the hood charge both batteries. These terminals are under the plastic 'grate' on pass side just ahead of windshield. Same alternator charges both batteries.
6. Batteries must be disconnected for testing since tester would see combination/average of both batteries and you can't tell which is low or bad.
7. If one battery catastrophically fails (shorts). it can ruin the other battery so they both need replaced.
8. If aux battery is going bad sometimes you will see on dash the stop-start symbol with an exclamation mark (since aux battery is used for stop-start)
9. Today's batteries don't give warning - fine this morning - total dead at lunch time.
10, The Charger Daytona EV's probably have the same 2 batteries for their 12 volt system. Maybe Pioneer can verify this.
Maybe we need a sticky dedicated discussion just for batteries. With photos. I know I had lots of questions and had a hard time even finding them both.
They forgot to connect the vent tube, left the red plastic pos terminal cover hanging down and the 'carpeted' side panel was missing so I had to go back to the dealer and get it. Looks like they just installed the battery and tested it but forgot to finish putting it together.
I got to spend some time in the service bay so I started hitting the service advisors with questions. I'm going to list what I was told - which may or may not be 100 percent accurate:
1. Both main and aux batteries are AGM, and both have vent tubes.
2. The main battery vent tube is impossible to see and hard to connect because it's on the rear (tail-light) end of the battery. The aux battery vent tube is on passenger side near the top and is easy to see. Vent tubes are important - they prevent poison gases from entering the passenger compartment.
3. The main and aux batteries are connected in parallel and are not totally independent of each other. Somehow they perform different tasks (controlled by electronics)
4. Voltage seen on dash display is a combination/average of both batteries.
5. The jump/charge terminals under the hood charge both batteries. These terminals are under the plastic 'grate' on pass side just ahead of windshield. Same alternator charges both batteries.
6. Batteries must be disconnected for testing since tester would see combination/average of both batteries and you can't tell which is low or bad.
7. If one battery catastrophically fails (shorts). it can ruin the other battery so they both need replaced.
8. If aux battery is going bad sometimes you will see on dash the stop-start symbol with an exclamation mark (since aux battery is used for stop-start)
9. Today's batteries don't give warning - fine this morning - total dead at lunch time.
10, The Charger Daytona EV's probably have the same 2 batteries for their 12 volt system. Maybe Pioneer can verify this.
Maybe we need a sticky dedicated discussion just for batteries. With photos. I know I had lots of questions and had a hard time even finding them both.
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