regarding performance ...

[CareerFirefighter1]

The first time I foot brake launched it in AWD it threw me back in the seat. I had to cinch the seat a bit forward and upright to keep control, now it's not as a shock ...

Yup, pretty much the only way to get that feeling in a high hp RWD car is with slicks.
(or rear engine placement like the Vette and Porsche)

Here's a vid from TKs garage mentioning the new motor at the 4:38 mark.

"Because some of the power numbers they're quoting for this new hemi ... insane ... and I'm being told sound ... OHHHHH INSANE!"

Well, I'm guessing the price on that new hemi is going to be "OHHHHH INSANE!"
And I'm guessing the lower mpg on that new hemi is going to be "OHHHHH INSANE!"

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. At this point, I don't see myself trading in the HO Hurricane for it.
But more power to Dodge for doing it!

 

[rossagge]

@CareerFirefighter And I'm guessing the lower mpg on that new hemi is going to be "OHHHHH INSANE!"
Yeah, that's truly a moot point. We all know folk don't buy these concerned about MPG. Let's be real. Of all my high performance vehicles throughout the years I was never concerned with MPG or fuel prices. If I was, I'd buy a Honda Civic. In which I do have one in the stable. I guess if you can only have one vehicle it's a concern, but these aren't single vehicle owner daily drivers. The price might be higher. With a new engine, they're gonna recoup cost somehow. The buyers for these are those that held out awaiting for the return of the Hemi in some shape or form. New Rumblebee lineup, SRT JGC, Dodge Copperhead and few others coming. Dodge is crazy and had to give in the Globalist Big Green Machine and did what they did. It appears the tide has turned. The i6 Hurricane will still be a thing. I think the all new Durango will be a the platform for it and certain JGC. The caveat to this is, there will always be some idiot who buys one and then later is concerned about fuel economy, Haha.

 

[CareerFirefighter1]

@rossage Yeah, that's truly a moot point.
Well, just because someone believes something is a "moot point" doesn't mean it's a moot point. Let's be honest. Nobody who wants a performance car would be unhappy if it got better mpg. That just wouldn't make any sense. Of all the dozens of high performance cars I've owned and raced over the decades, getting decent mpg was always a plus if I could get it. And the new Charger is AWD, which immediately puts it into the category of potentially being a legitimate one vehicle ownership because of its all season capability. And all this talk about people waiting out for the hemi just doesn't wash, and I'll give you an example that just happened to me today. I was out running errands and someone asked me what kind of car I had, and I told him it was a new AWD Charger with the HO Hurricane engine. This older (more mature) guy approved and said he liked my car. When I asked him what his background with cars was, he ran down a litany of classic muscle, including an actual vintage Dodge 6 Pack. And there you go. To conclude, I've lived through drag racing V8 muscle cars, and then 4 & 6 cylinder turbo cars, and then both 6 cyl and 8 cyl performance SUV's, and now back to a turbo 6. We really need to open up our automtive vision here, and not just cater to the nostalgia of past memories. It's all good ...

 

[Big Swede32]

I said the exact same thing to someone yesterday.
If Dodge put the 392 in the new Charger (which I loved in my Durango SRT) it'd be slower than the HO Hurricane. It'd sound better, but it'd be slower.
It's all about 475 hp vs 550 hp. The 392 would probably have better immediate throttle response, but the extra hp & torque of the Hurricane would beat it.

Definitely on the top end. The 75+hp does have to pull another 600lbs or so. I would take the HO over the 5.7 but the 392 is just a sensational all around experience.

 

[CareerFirefighter1]

Definitely on the top end. The 75+hp does have to pull another 600lbs or so. I would take the HO over the 5.7 but the 392 is just a sensational all around experience.

If we're talking Charger Scat Pack vs. Durango 392, let's look at C&D's 0-130 mph times for the two:

2026 Charger Scat Pack / 0-130 mph 15.6 sec
2022 Durango SRT 392 / 0-130 mph 23.2 sec

Now let's step it up and throw the Durango Hellcat into the mix:
2021 Durango Hellcat / 0-130 mph 16.0 sec

The '26 Charger Scat Pack even beats the Hellcat version of the Durango.
So yeah, the 392 sounds tons better. No question about it.
But the 550 hp Charger passes the 710 hp Durango HC.
That's mighty impressive.

 

[rossagge]

@rossage Yeah, that's truly a moot point.
Well, just because someone believes something is a "moot point" doesn't mean it's a moot point. Let's be honest. Nobody who wants a performance car would be unhappy if it got better mpg. That just wouldn't make any sense. Of all the dozens of high performance cars I've owned and raced over the decades, getting decent mpg was always a plus if I could get it. And the new Charger is AWD, which immediately puts it into the category of potentially being a legitimate one vehicle ownership because of its all season capability. And all this talk about people waiting out for the hemi just doesn't wash, and I'll give you an example that just happened to me today. I was out running errands and someone asked me what kind of car I had, and I told him it was a new AWD Charger with the HO Hurricane engine. This older (more mature) guy approved and said he liked my car. When I asked him what his background with cars was, he ran down a litany of classic muscle, including an actual vintage Dodge 6 Pack. And there you go. To conclude, I've lived through drag racing V8 muscle cars, and then 4 & 6 cylinder turbo cars, and then both 6 cyl and 8 cyl performance SUV's, and now back to a turbo 6. We really need to open up our automtive vision here, and not just cater to the nostalgia of past memories. It's all good ...

Fair enough. All good points. I'm also one of those guys that likes the turbo inline six cars and would definitely compliment one of i saw it, as I never have seen one in the wild yet. My twin turbo V6 Infiniti Red Sport 400 I just got rid of was a blast. Sounded great with a performance exhaust. I've had other non V8 performance cars, but I just like a V8 car Like we both know, people are gonna buy what they want. And maybe I'm one of those guys that will always have a V8 car. They never get old for me. I will have to go drive an HO Charger at some point. I like all types of cars. Plenty out there. It's nice to have choices and these discussions .

 

[Big Swede32]

If we're talking Charger Scat Pack vs. Durango 392, let's look at C&D's 0-130 mph times for the two:

2026 Charger Scat Pack / 0-130 mph 15.6 sec
2022 Durango SRT 392 / 0-130 mph 23.2 sec

Now let's step it up and throw the Durango Hellcat into the mix:
2021 Durango Hellcat / 0-130 mph 16.0 sec

The '26 Charger Scat Pack even beats the Hellcat version of the Durango.
So yeah, the 392 sounds tons better. No question about it.
But the 550 hp Charger passes the 710 hp Durango HC.
That's mighty impressive.

As far as the weight difference I was talking about I was comparing a 392 Charger vs a Hurricane Charger which is why I said the Hurricane is up 65HP but does have to move another 600lbs or so. I would love to see the actual comparison of something like a 20-70 mph.

It’s more than just sound for the 392, especially the Hellcat. That immediate torque makes any vehicle super fun to drive in realistic street situations.

I’ve probably been to 130 in a car twice in my lifetime so it’s really a meaningless stat to me. I do a hard 20-70 just about every time I take my Challenger out. The Hurricane is going to walk everything from 60-130 thanks to what turbos do best.

 

[Pioneer4x460]

If we're talking Charger Scat Pack vs. Durango 392, let's look at C&D's 0-130 mph times for the two:

2026 Charger Scat Pack / 0-130 mph 15.6 sec
2022 Durango SRT 392 / 0-130 mph 23.2 sec

Now let's step it up and throw the Durango Hellcat into the mix:
2021 Durango Hellcat / 0-130 mph 16.0 sec

The '26 Charger Scat Pack even beats the Hellcat version of the Durango.
So yeah, the 392 sounds tons better. No question about it.
But the 550 hp Charger passes the 710 hp Durango HC.
That's mighty impressive.

I wonder what the Charger Daytona 0-130 time is? I hit 124 in 11.4, and since there is no transmission, it is limited to something like 134mph because the motors are spinning at something like 17,000 RPM at that point. But a 0-130 would be a nice comparison.

 

[Pioneer4x460]

...
I’ve probably been to 130 in a car twice in my lifetime so it’s really a meaningless stat to me. ...

It is a good stat for comparison purposes, and I've been up around, and over that mark (a loooong time ago) in several cars. Including another oddball Charger, my 1985 Dodge Shelby Charger Turbo (with a bit more boost...) back in 1990 or so. And in a 1993 Intrepid with the 3.5, but the best was doing 140mph down the back stretch of the Indianapolis Speedway in a 1973 Road Runner (in the back seat...) on a "tour lap" back in the early 80s. My friends neighbor had it, made to drag race, then converted to show car. Several wing cars (Superbird/Daytonas) rolled past us probably doing close to 160.

 

[CareerFirefighter1]

I wonder what the Charger Daytona 0-130 time is? I hit 124 in 11.4, and since there is no transmission, it is limited to something like 134mph because the motors are spinning at something like 17,000 RPM at that point. But a 0-130 would be a nice comparison.

Ask and you shall receive ...

Car and Driver: "Dodge Charger Daytona Is No Muscle Car—It's a Grand Tourer"
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a64412261/2024-dodge-charger-daytona-ev-test/

2024 Dodge Daytona
0-130 mph ....14.5 sec
Top Speed .... 136 mph

 

[Pioneer4x460]

Ask and you shall receive ...

Car and Driver: "Dodge Charger Daytona Is No Muscle Car—It's a Grand Tourer"
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a64412261/2024-dodge-charger-daytona-ev-test/

2024 Dodge Daytona
0-130 mph ....14.5 sec
Top Speed .... 136 mph

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Awesome I've stared at so many test results, and never even noticed that stat before. Thanks! And since I know the the 1/4 mile is quicker than that, the 130 mark is probably about .2 - .3 seconds less.
Also someone on Facebook posted a video of their Daytona on VIR track, and on the long stretch it hit about 134 or so, so that holds with the RPM limited top speed. (At 135ish the motors are spinning about 17,000 RPM)

 

[Chevyguy9]

Here's a vid from TKs garage mentioning the new motor at the 4:38 mark.

That's where I heard it first....Hopefully something they had pushed the cancel button but can UNCANCEL ?? Since the 4.7 was essentially a copy of the Modular 4.6, why not copy the 5.0?? Especially if they had already made prototypes a few years ago. Or they are just throwing chum into the waters till they can trundle out the old iron Time will tell. Would the Hemi faithful accept a DOHC V8?? I have my suspicions it would generate more hate mail. Maybe give the owners a box of pushrods as a keepsake??

Note the Hemi head casting

Coyote 2 cams instead of 2 rocker shafts, both intake and exhaust at canted angles and a hemi chamber.

 

[rossagge]

They should right, the HEMI hasn't been a true hemispherical design for some time. Just a flattened dome or sphere for better emissions.

 

[Big Swede32]

That's where I heard it first....Hopefully something they had pushed the cancel button but can UNCANCEL ?? Since the 4.7 was essentially a copy of the Modular 4.6, why not copy the 5.0?? Especially if they had already made prototypes a few years ago. Or they are just throwing chum into the waters till they can trundle out the old iron Time will tell. Would the Hemi faithful accept a DOHC V8?? I have my suspicions it would generate more hate mail. Maybe give the owners a box of pushrods as a keepsake??

Note the Hemi head casting

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Coyote 2 cams instead of 2 rocker shafts, both intake and exhaust at canted angles and a hemi chamber.

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I think as long as it’s got some cubic inches it will be accepted. It will then sound good and make great power. Then if they add a forced air setup it will make legendary performance in a SRT version since the 4 valve heads and super/turbocharging go together like Beer and Pizza.

Hopefully they don’t go the usual European route of
2.0 T4
3.0 T6
4.0 T8
If they make it a 5.0 or bigger it will be successful because that’s big enough to sound good and be powerful enough to also have a NA version.

 

[CareerFirefighter1]

I'd never choose cubic inches over hp, ever.
I'd also never choose RWD over AWD, ever.
Enter the 4 season AWD Dodge Charger Scat Pack.
It does it all. And it does that while averaging 20 mpg.

 

[baabootoo58]

I'd never choose cubic inches over hp, ever.
I'd also never choose RWD over AWD, ever.
Enter the 4 season AWD Dodge Charger Scat Pack.
It does it all. And it does that while averaging 20 mpg.

I have, BUT my preferences have evolved over time. I fell in love with the hatchback, and the AWD was icing on the cake!

 

[aceinspp60]

I use to look for RWD but it's now a different story. Later RJD

 

[8pack-21]

I use to look for RWD but it's now a different story. Later RJD

These get looser than a goose in sport mode even in AWD with a little rain. I love it. 70% rear bias in sport, 60% in auto, 50% in wet/snow. The sport rear bias is aggressive, same as track mode in the SRT and HC Durangos.

I also learned today, that in auto, the car actively disconnects front wheels and goes 100% rear depending on the conditions. Makes me wonder why you have to be at a complete stop to turn on RWD.

 

[baabootoo58]

Squirrelly as in spinning, or just feeling weird?

 

[8pack-21]

Squirrelly as in spinning, or just feeling weird?

Oh just spinning the wheels exactly as you’d expect 550hp to do. The back end will slide on an aggressive turn in AWD sport for sure if it’s a bit wet, but the difference between that slide and the RWD mode slide is it more or less stops without corrective steering. In RWD the whole backend will slide beyond where the front of the car is pointing.

I think they did a good job with calibrating the rear bias and TCS settings in sport AWD.