regarding performance ...

[Ares463]

The above data results I posted were achieved setting the LC to 2,900 rpm.
But yeah, the Hurricane 3.0L set up in this car is so new that a lot of this is speculation.
But the good news is I encountered zero nosedive, just perfect shifting and strong hard acceleration.

I haven't had a safe opportunity to test mine again yet, but I lowered it to 3000 for next time. I probably should drop it to 2900 too. Do you have the 305 width wheels on yours?

I would find it very surprising to see ANY wheelspin from either the front or rear on dry pavement or a prepped surface.

If I remember right from RacerX's first video mentioning it, he was on a prepped drag strip (albeit a cold one) and I don't think the car was so much slipping, as it was cutting power to prevent slip. Whether it would have slipped or not, the car thought it was going to. So it seems there is some amount of traction control still enabled even when using LC. It's either that or as CareerFirefighter was saying it's likely just a small bit of slip that you don't notice or hear from inside the car over the sound of the engine.

Here is my video from yesterdays 4.40. Unfortunately I forgot to turn the sound back on the dashcam. I need to keep wheel straight lol.

That's a great video from down in Mexico! So glad you had the opportunity to leave the states for a bit to test that!

 

[8pack-212]

Ford ecoboost engines respond very well to tuning and there are multiple tuners for them. My tuned MKS ecoboost was a low 12 second car and my tuned Continental was only slightly slower. Both were about 500 pounds lighter than a Charger. Both were FWD biased and the MKS would chirp the front tires on the 1-2 shift but never enough to cause traction control to engage. If the Charger is breaking traction enough to cause the power dip at the shift point, the engineers need to make some changes.

It seems that this issue only happens when using launch control so I am still suspicious that it is related to that rather than traction.

Good point, I didn’t think about them being lighter, just that there’s no way to make the same power in only a tune without something blowing up.

People seem stuck on this only happening in LC and hard launches. The nose dip is reproducible in many other conditions. I’ve had it happen 4 or 5 times in “spirited driving”. Every time it happens I’m like … it feels like you’re manually shifting and hit the rev limiter.

It doesn’t really change my opinion about the car, it’s still fast and fun, seems like a software/tuning thing that could be fixed, IMO.

 

[baabootoo70]

If this is the case then maybe it would launch better at lower Launch Control RPM settings. This would imply that you would need to build less boost for quicker launch times.

Idk, the solution is probably just drag tires in the front lol

Jeremy Satera stated to run DR's on the back, and maybe summer up front. Heat the rears in Line Lock, put it back in AWD, and let it rip. Go watch his vides about the is car and you'll learn a lot. I have a set of 305/45 MT ET Street R for my current car that I "almost" got rid of.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

... I haven't had a safe opportunity to test mine again yet, but I lowered it to 3000 for next time. I probably should drop it to 2900 too. Do you have the 305 width wheels on yours?

Nope, base 275's here.

... It doesn’t really change my opinion about the car, it’s still fast and fun, seems like a software/tuning thing that could be fixed, IMO.

Ditto. Loved my Durango 392. Like this car even better!

 

[CareerFirefighter]

Okay, better weather conditions and carrying less fuel, here's more data ...

CONDITIONS
DA: ~1,000 ft
Fuel: 1/2 Tank 93 octane
Added Weight: ~70 lbs tools/etc
Launch Control: Enabled
Launch Control: Set To 2,900 RPM
No Nosedive

RESULTS
...................................DRAGY .............. PERFORMANCE PAGES
0-60 mph .................... 4.15 sec ................................ 4.0 sec .................
0-100 mph ..................................................................... 9.2 sec .................
60 ft .............................. 1.93 sec ................................. 1.77 sec ...............
330 ft ........................... 5.0 sec ......................................................................
1/8 Mile .......... 7.95 sec @ 90.26 mph .................. 7.7 sec ................

THOUGHTS
According to conversion charts, an 7.95 sec. 1/8 mile ET should equal a 12.4 sec. 1/4 mile time.
Better DA and only 1/2 tank fuel netted .07 sec 0-60 mph improvement and a .09 sec reduction in 1/8 mile time and .54 mph increase in trap speed.

 

[Ares463]

Nope, base 275's here.

You're getting great times for those tires imo

Go watch his vides about the is car and you'll learn a lot.

Yeah I have been stalking his tuning channel on Youtube waiting for news on the ECU getting unlocked for tuning. He has a ton of great knowledge but it's hard to sift through since a lot of it is just in his long live-streams.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

You're getting great times for those tires imo


Yeah I have been stalking his tuning channel on Youtube waiting for news on the ECU getting unlocked for tuning. He has a ton of great knowledge but it's hard to sift through since a lot of it is just in his long live-streams.

I gotta say, I'm a little perplexed at people's concerns over traction.
I haven't encountered any wheel spin on the few launches I've done. It just goes.
So other than someone cornering at the limits, I can't see any benefit to the wider tires.

 

[Ares463]

I gotta say, I'm a little perplexed at people's concerns over traction.
I haven't encountered any wheel spin on the few launches I've done. It just goes.
So other than someone cornering at the limits, I can't see any benefit to the wider tires.

Based on RacerX's videos and what the Dodge tech told him, I believe the assumption is that the car backs off the power when it thinks the front wheels will slip. It sounds like LC has some degree of traction control included. So you won't get any spin, just lose power/time when launching at higher RPMs.
It seems weird to me since typically it is considered good to have just a little bit of slip when launching.

As for wider tires, can't say for sure. The older models definitely benefited from more contact patch. It's possible the increased wheel weight isn't worth it until the car gets more power from a tune.

 

[baabootoo70]

Based on RacerX's videos and what the Dodge tech told him, I believe the assumption is that the car backs off the power when it thinks the front wheels will slip. It sounds like LC has some degree of traction control included. So you won't get any spin, just lose power/time when launching at higher RPMs.
It seems weird to me since typically it is considered good to have just a little bit of slip when launching.

As for wider tires, can't say for sure. The older models definitely benefited from more contact patch. It's possible the increased wheel weight isn't worth it until the car gets more power from a tune.

Yes, it would be interesting to do a side-by-side with two models one having 275 all seasons, and one with the wider summer only tires.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

... As for wider tires, can't say for sure. The older models definitely benefited from more contact patch. It's possible the increased wheel weight isn't worth it until the car gets more power from a tune.

Yeah, with AWD (and at it's current power level) I don't see wider tires improving acceleration.
Now lateral grip is something else. Given two tires of the same compound, wider is always better.

 

[gasort13]

That’s weird. I can make them spin in everyday driving. If I hit it from a dead stop they’re definitely spinning some in sport mode. Check your PP tire slip gauge, you might just not feel it because there isn’t a ton of wiggle feel and they stay pretty straight in these big cars. You’ll definitely not be 0% in that gauge from any hard launch… too much torque.

There’s always some spin under healthy throttle, but it won’t be smoking them in AWD. You can drift/slide turns in sport awd on dry pavement.

On the consistent 4.4s 0-60s, I’m wondering if those are high due to the cars being sub 2,250 miles and not having full HP unlocked yet. 4.6 is what they quote the R/T at with the SO. The car makes roughly R/T horsepower until the unlock conditions are met and you get about 130 more.

I’ve been curious about the full hp unlock after 2250 miles. I can’t find any information on this, but since reading that I recently passed 2250 miles and performance definitely feels a lot closer to my trackhawk now. But I wonder if it’s a placebo effect after reading this?

 

[CareerFirefighter]

I’ve been curious about the full hp unlock after 2250 miles. I can’t find any information on this, but since reading that I recently passed 2250 miles and performance definitely feels a lot closer to my trackhawk now. But I wonder if it’s a placebo effect after reading this?

I'd also like to see the source info for this. I can't find any reliable info on it anywhere.

 

[8pack-212]

There is no official info other than the RHO community had some similar experiences in their forum… and I’ve been testing mine at least every 100 miles since “break-in procedure” from the manual was done via performance pages. I’ve got the receipts in the screen shots I shared and many more I haven’t.

550hp and Gauge

Has anyone actually seen their HP gauge hit 550 or over 500? I’ve been playing around for a bit and it seems to usually shift a bit over 400 if not sooner. I’m wondering if it’s measuring the crank hp I’d imagine it should hit 500 at least in the HO hurricane. I’m just over 500 miles today and...

www.chargersixpack.com

Test it out yourself if you’re lower miles and record when you start breaking 390-420hp… just gotta open performance pages and do a little pull!!!

I’ve been curious about the full hp unlock after 2250 miles. I can’t find any information on this, but since reading that I recently passed 2250 miles and performance definitely feels a lot closer to my trackhawk now. But I wonder if it’s a placebo effect after reading this?

I'd also like to see the source info for this. I can't find any reliable info on it anywhere.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

There is no official info other than the RHO community had some similar experiences in their forum… and I’ve been testing mine at least every 100 miles since “break-in procedure” from the manual was done via performance pages. I’ve got the receipts in the screen shots I shared and many more I haven’t.

Test it out yourself if you’re lower miles and record when you start breaking 390-420hp… just gotta open performance pages and do a little pull!!!

I ran a 4.1 sec 0-60 with just 800 miles on the odo, and that was with average DA. Dodge claims 3.9 sec, which I'm sure I'd get with better DA.
So at this point, I'm not a believer in the 2,225 mi. break in before full power theory. I'm getting acceleration numbers that would belie that idea.

 

[8pack-212]

I ran a 4.1 sec 0-60 with just 800 miles on the odo, and that was with average DA. Dodge claims 3.9 sec, which I'm sure I'd get with better DA.
So at this point, I'm not a believer in the 2,225 mi. break in before full power theory. I'm getting acceleration numbers that would belie that idea.

That’s great, but rather than just assume, why not check Performance Pages propulsion chart on a pull? I had some pretty good times and performance prior to the horsepower fully unlocking… but at the end of the day it is either actually getting peak power or it isn’t. Evaluating that from times and feel isn’t objective, and there is a very easy way to evaluate it with PP and export it or take a picture.

My point is there are a lot of unknowns and maybe one of those is if you drive the car super hard for a couple hundred miles after manufacturer suggested break-in (not saying you did that) it’ll unlock it sooner than the data we have right now supports. We don’t know the exact conditions, but we do know the car doesn’t seem to record making peak power until some condition is met.

It’d be a great data point if you recorded your HP chart on PP after a pull rather than just saying “I don’t think it’s real” . Support the community, seems like you enjoy driving the car so just snap a picture and share it!!

Edit: saw in another thread you’re going to test it out with PP. Please do, I’m genuinely curious. (I work in science and engineering, so I love the data). Your times do sort of suggest making closer to peak power, but I wouldnt put it past a SO hurricane in an R/T making those 0-60 numbers either. I’ve seen Wagoneers pull low to mid 5s with the SO.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

That’s great, but rather than just assume, why not check Performance Pages propulsion chart on a pull? I had some pretty good times and performance prior to the horsepower fully unlocking… but at the end of the day it is either actually getting peak power or it isn’t. Evaluating that from times and feel isn’t objective, and there is a very easy way to evaluate it with PP and export it or take a picture.

My point is there are a lot of unknowns and maybe one of those is if you drive the car super hard for a couple hundred miles after manufacturer suggested break-in (not saying you did that) it’ll unlock it sooner than the data we have right now supports. We don’t know the exact conditions, but we do know the car doesn’t seem to record making peak power until some condition is met.

It’d be a great data point if you recorded your HP chart on PP after a pull rather than just saying “I don’t think it’s real” . Support the community, seems like you enjoy driving the car so just snap a picture and share it!!

Edit: saw in another thread you’re going to test it out with PP. Please do, I’m genuinely curious. (I work in science and engineering, so I love the data). Your times do sort of suggest making closer to peak power, but I wouldnt put it past a SO hurricane in an R/T making those 0-60 numbers either. I’ve seen Wagoneers pull low to mid 5s with the SO.

Okay awesome, but wouldn't decades of drag racing mean mine are not just assumptions? My pulls record data, and data means things ... I don't embrace any manufacturers onboard data without corroborating evidence. I use recorded times from my Dragy, which I previously tested against a certified NHRA dragstrip as being 100% accurate. You can't get any more objective than that.

My focus here is that you can't have data that proves one thing, along with another set of data that "proves" something else. I've seen too many people make claims to either this or that, some of which are based in reality, and others of which are pure hocum.

So I recorded PP's claimed HP numbers, but I did so while not being enslaved to making it my final "great data point". Ultimately, I support the community of reality ... which is my greatest joy over any/all other communities!

The largest alleged HP number from PP was 417 hp:

Compare that to my best Dragy run, and the numbers don't jive. I mean, they're not even close.
A 4.15 sec 0-60 is well beyond what any *4,900 lb+ vehicle could produce with just "400 hp".
(*Note: I also had a full tank of gas and ~70 lbs of tools/equipment):

Dodge claims a 4.6 sec 0-60 for the 420 hp R/T.
I'm already a 1/4 second faster than that, while carrying at least 150 lbs in added weight.
(incidentally, a 7.95 sec 1/8 mile = 12.4 quarter mile time, over 1/2 sec quicker than the 420 hp R/T)

Finally, there are some things you can learn while drag racing from a desktop.
But the real way to develop a sense of what that data means is to take it to the drag strip and back it up with some wins!

 

[8pack-212]

Okay awesome, but wouldn't decades of drag racing mean mine are not just assumptions? My pulls record data, and data means things ... I don't embrace any manufacturers onboard data without corroborating evidence. I use recorded times from my Dragy, which I previously tested against a certified NHRA dragstrip as being 100% accurate. You can't get any more objective than that.

My focus here is that you can't have data that proves one thing, along with another set of data that "proves" something else. I've seen too many people make claims to either this or that, some of which are based in reality, and others of which are pure hocum.

So I recorded PP's claimed HP numbers, but I did so while not being enslaved to making it my final "great data point". Ultimately, I support the community of reality ... which is my greatest joy over any/all other communities!

The largest alleged HP number from PP was 417 hp:
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Compare that to my best Dragy run, and the numbers don't jive. I mean, they're not even close.
A 4.15 sec 0-60 is well beyond what any *4,900 lb+ vehicle could produce with just "400 hp".
(*Note: I also had a full tank of gas and ~70 lbs of tools/equipment):

View attachment 1404



Dodge claims a 4.6 sec 0-60 for the 420 hp R/T.
I'm already a 1/4 second faster than that, while carrying at least 150 lbs in added weight.
(incidentally, a 7.95 sec 1/8 mile = 12.4 quarter mile time, over 1/2 sec quicker than the 420 hp R/T)

Finally, there are some things you can learn while drag racing from a desktop.
But the real way to develop a sense of what that data means is to take it to the drag strip and back it up with some wins!

View attachment 1405

You just validated my point. Your PP is showing 417hp… mine did exactly that and Would bounce off 390-420 until over 2,000 miles… now without even full throttle my car will repeatedly show over 500hp on pulls.

I don’t disregard your assessment that the car is hitting good numbers and that’s one lens to look at it through, but I think a lot of that is coming down to the massive flat torque band and not hitting peak hp is probably not impacting most runs in a way you’d feel it at that point. Look at the shitty automatic short shifting in the M2/M3 cs, it’s more important that the power band is pulling steady than hitting peak power in a timed run. I think that’s the answer to your good timed numbers and it’s slightly different than the engine actually making peak power. The engine still pulls at near max torque without peak power being hit.

End of the day, your car isn’t hitting peak output yet. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised when it starts too. I know I was, as it feels even more unhinged now.

Have fun with it!! I’m not trying to irritate you or anything brother, just trying to help the community learn about these cars.

Also: if you go to
vehicle >dashboard>performance pages

On the infotainment, you can open propulsion and track all the power,torque, and rpm time series. Much easier than trying to screenshot the gauge and it’ll hold up to 120 seconds of data.

 

[CareerFirefighter]

Okay, it seems my data has been corroborated (see below), that there's no actual waiting period for full power application of the engine.

Here's Dodge's November 2025 introduction of the Six Pack Scat Pack at Knoxville Dragway, Tenesee.
It's where automotive types were invited for a day of 1/8 mile drag runs, for as long as they wanted.
It was a crisp 45 degrees out, and they had a Dodge rep there who rode along with the participants.
For the vehicle in the reviewer's vid below, Dodge chose a car with 780 miles on the odometer.
Yup, for showing off the car's hp and drag strip prowess, Dodge chose a sub 1,000 mile car.
The Dodge rep said good times that day were in the high 7's and low 8's.
The driver in the vid got a best 1/8 run of 7.89 sec @ 91.4 mph.
My best 1/8 run thus far has been a 7.95 sec @ 90.3 mph.
Almost exactly what the guy in the vid got.

Lastly, I researched various Dodge forums where they discusssed the accuracy/inaccuracy of PP's HP/Torque numbers.
The consensus throughout was those numbers were there for entertainment purposes only. As one person posted:

"Most cars just use a simulated spreadsheet and an associated algorithm to display stuff like the horsepower/torque ratings in the performance pages. At X RPM with Y throttle in Z gear = HP/torque as displayed where it should be on the spreadsheet."

 

[aceinspp73]

Nice. Good video. Later RJD

 

[8pack-212]

Okay, it seems my data has been corroborated (see below), that there's no actual waiting period for full power application of the engine.

Here's Dodge's November 2025 introduction of the Six Pack Scat Pack at Knoxville Dragway, Tenesee.
It's where automotive types were invited for a day of 1/8 mile drag runs, for as long as they wanted.
It was a crisp 45 degrees out, and they had a Dodge rep there who rode along with the participants.
For the vehicle in the reviewer's vid below, Dodge chose a car with 780 miles on the odometer.
Yup, for showing off the car's hp and drag strip prowess, Dodge chose a sub 1,000 mile car.
The Dodge rep said good times that day were in the high 7's and low 8's.
The driver in the vid got a best 1/8 run of 7.89 sec @ 91.4 mph.
My best 1/8 run thus far has been a 7.95 sec @ 90.3 mph.
Almost exactly what the guy in the vid got.

Lastly, I researched various Dodge forums where they discusssed the accuracy/inaccuracy of PP's HP/Torque numbers.
The consensus throughout was those numbers were there for entertainment purposes only. As one person posted:

"Most cars just use a simulated spreadsheet and an associated algorithm to display stuff like the horsepower/torque ratings in the performance pages. At X RPM with Y throttle in Z gear = HP/torque as displayed where it should be on the spreadsheet."

That doesn’t really confirm anything… Dodge has full control over any cars they release for preview/test driving to influencers etc… they may or may not even be running the same firmware as a car purchased retail and there’s no reason to have them do the phased power release on cars that they aren’t responsible for a warranty associated with the vehicle…

Whether PP is flawed or not, it’s still real data being read from the sensors… for that to change by 130hp suddenly one day and for the car to literally be pulling harder is still an evidence backed test. To put it simply, if you always measure something with a ruler that’s 11 inches and is “wrong”… if the lengths of something later is now 2 rulers… the length still doubled… it’s just 22 inches and not 24.

At any rate… have fun with your car… I can see you’re unlikely to change your mind… one day in the near future you’re going to get in the car and it’ll pull harder and make more horsepower whether you want to believe that or not is up to you… but I’m sure you’ll be grinning ear to ear on that pull. Enjoy!